I’m all for banning toxic players and cheaters, but the fact that they make you install a rootkit on your system to enable this is too much.
You have the option not to play the game though. It is not like they force anyone with a gun to install this rootkit.
If someone doesn’t know what a rootkit is or why it’s bad, then they can’t give informed consent to it. It’s not a free choice for 90% of players.
I didn’t downvote you, but you pretty much are repeating what OP said.
“I won’t play this game!”
“Well, nobody is forcing you.”
Yep, that’s pretty much the same thing.
It’s ok, downvote means nothing. even on Reddit.
Sometimes people don’t understand that the fact Valorant (or other F2P) is a free game doesn’t mean they’re entitled to whine and bitch non stop.
He was just sharing his opinion, I think he understands that Riot won’t/shouldn’t care.
I find it to be a pretty tired talking point. Especially on this thread where it has nothing to do with technical aspects of Valorant at all, it still needs to be interjected for some reason. Anyone on this forum already knows about riot anti cheating software, it’s just beating a dead horse now.
“People are too sensitive today” types are deliberately missing the point. Online is pretty much the only place where you can get away with spouting slurs or psycho shit. You wouldn’t do it in public or get away with most of it in public.
More to the point it’s just tiring having these types come into a lobby. They generally don’t (or can’t) play properly or fuck around until someone calls them out. They then start on that person or spamming the N word.
More often than not it feels like they try to frame it as “oh ho, people can’t handle my casual use of slurs, snowflakes”. When more likely is if you’re talking and behaving like that generally it means you’re obnoxious and disruptive to the game.
Having witnessed teenage boys moaning into a microphone for an entire 25-minute match because my friend (a woman) spoke twice, I would say that it has nothing to do with growing thick skin.
My friend has thick skin. They heard it, muted everyone, calmly asked me to be the middleman for important callouts, and we played out the match. That is just normal there, unfortunately.
Fuck those people. Still not worth getting infected by a rootkit.
The article has literally zero info about what they are actually going to do. It’s just people going “this is bad and these people are the worst, we do not want them here”.
Ok? So what are you gonna do about it?
All it does is mention that “tech that can be a game-changer sometimes takes a long time” and I’m guessing that’s referring to Riot’s plans to use AI to mass-surveill all voice chats to detect harassment.
I will say their report software is very good and usually gets results within half an hour.
I’ve played in both valorant and csgo communities and after a year or so of valorant I came back to csgo. Maybe in some regions of the world or in lower ranks things may be worse but on csgo I felt pretty welcome everywhere. Sure we would talk shit and curse and maybe some random asshole griefer would ruin the game but I never liked valorant too much. I guess you kinda have to experience it to understand.
Edit: also, valorant is basically rootkit and I’m not running that on my computer, and couldn’t if I wanted to (I use arch btw)
It’s so interesting that there are comments about how people can mute/block people if they get harassed, but nothing about the people doing the actual unhinged harassment. It seems personal responsibility only should be for the victims of harassment…
On the topic itself, I actually know someone who works at Riot that is working on their “player management” tools, and the amount of data they have driving these is fascinating. The datasets they have are global, and aside from Vanguard, apparently there are certain toxicity trends that are so niche (in the Chinese servers, for example), you have to tune for the other server data sets for it (they weren’t really clear on how this works).
I really wish I could see what the backend of this tech is like, very few games have 10+ years of player and esports data to train their LLM/AI models.
Probably an amazing amount of data from people with open mics, little do their families know they are being recorded and saved to riots servers. Just spooky in all honesty. Tbh I see these people just not talking in the game themselves and just moving into discord. You get rid of toxicity but also encourage people to just not bother communicating at all.
Halo 2 never had a mute function and people survived.
That’s just survivor bias. Gaming spaces are better when harassment is punished.
Do you really want the standard of life to be a halo 2 lobby? Halo 2 lobbies were full of bigotry of all types. We can and do, do better.
Lots of people in the comments self-reporting their habits in games with voice chat… yikes…
No one should play Valorant or any Riot game in the first place
People are too sensitive nowadays, but some people also take things too far with their insults
Did you even listen to what was said? Insults are one thing but alluding to rape and then saying it’s not rape if the rapist enjoys it. Is on a whole different level of depravity.
I didn’t listen to the clip, no
But yeah, that person needs serious help if that’s what they said
Yes but that isn’t the only thing they are going to go after.
Did you even read what they wrote? “Some people go too far with their insults.” What you described is literally going too far.
What was said wasn’t an insult. “Your momma…” are jokes, “you suck do bad…” are insults. Tbagging a dead body is an insult.
Implying you are going to rape someone and then saying it’s not rape because you would enjoy it isn’t a typical “insult”.
So yeah i read what they said. It just didn’t really apply to the situation.
It may not be a typical insult, but it is still insulting. And if someone says that as an insult, that is going too far.
No it is not. “I’m going to kick you” isn’t an insult, it’s a threat. Someone could try to make the case that it’s a “joke” but it isn’t an insult.
In this video, you hear her say she’s not going to mute him for the content. She has the tools to solve the problem. But she chose not to use them.
EDIT Also she deleted the full clip and video from her Twitch. Nothing funny going on here.
Her saying she isn’t going to mute him doesn’t give him the go ahead to say the things he did.
Could this be a publicity stunt? Sure. Does any of this make what he said ok? No
This is a publicity stunt. All she had to do is to mute him. But she didn’t and made a tweet about it. Now she haves gaming journalists writing articles about her.
EDIT She could have talked to Riot Games support without making the tweet. But she didn’t.
How do you know? Getting publicity for this isn’t a bad thing, no matter how you try to make it out to be. Sit down.
Can people mute and block other players in the game? If so, just use the tools you have.
Can people play a game with out spewing hateful garbage?
This isn’t just about hateful garbage this is starting to just be about being rude, pushy, or even speaking foreign languages. Toxicity covers a whole range of communication.
The problem is you know you have to mute them/ block them after they say/ do something bad to you. When you block them it may stop them from doing that to you but it doesn’t stop them from doing it to others on the game. Making it a bad experience for others.
Mute/personal blocks do not fix the root problem which is the toxic players being toxic in the game.
Ideally, enough mutes/blocks and that person would get a manual review.
I don’t like automated bans because they often have false positives.
I 100% agree with enough mutes/blocks leading to a manual thing.
Automated bans are not great but they have a time and place. Theoretically they are getting better.
My point is something should be done about these things. I don’t have the answers, but something needs to be done.
Automated bans just lead to harassment and false positives. There should only be manual review on human-operated accounts.
I didn’t say automated bands based on reports. Yeah those lead to harassment and abuse. Obviously not a good case for automation.
But injecting code into the game with a 3rd party client could be automated if detected. That’s what i meant by automated bans.
Then just block everyone before they do something bad to you. Problem solved.
