This is a non-news

It’s like saying that my grandma agrees to something a YouTuber said about a tiktoker, China and Brazil are in a different continent

The aggression is one sided, once that side stops and retreats from the invaded lands, there’s immediate peace. That’s so easy.

Well, they don’t appear to use them as propaganda. When Travis T. King crossed the border, they arrested him and not used as propaganda “see? He hated SK and USA so much”

Same for Otto warmbier, instead of “see? After he saw our wonderful country, he wanted to take a piece of propaganda back home to always remember us” he was arrested, tortured and sent back dead.

I do not recall any situation when they used something like this as positive propaganda instead of a public execution

When they did that experiment on YouTube showing how wonderful is life in north Korea (if you’re a daughter of the elite), it lasted until it suddenly went like “Winston Smith never existed”

Source for what, the executions? It’s the North Korean government itself, since those are public

Don’t understand this. If he comes back to the North, he would be tortured&executed with his family. If living in SK is that terrible isn’t easier to just unalive themselves?

Some local agent poses and pretends to flirt, then once they have proof of something, they plant some incriminating evidence and start torturing. For example in Qatar: https://www.advocate.com/news/qatar-gay-airline-torture-hiv

Aren’t they kicking too many hornets nests at the same time?

I had a similar problem when using nginx proxy manager. In the end I just gave up and directly used cloudflare tunnels+cloudflare ssl

What about Publii?

WYSIWYG static site generator but personally I like to keep the content in markdown pages in a git repository so i can keep unlimited edit history; this saves everything in a local sqlite database.

Unfortunately the most powerful one that checks all the boxes, including automatic upload to s3 is hugo, but as you said the learning curve is high. Maybe try to see if you can run the example site of this theme, install hugo in your system, then go in the examplesite directory and run hugo serve. Slowly edit the files until you understand how it works.

I tried nextcloud photos for ten minutes and it looked like you can add photos to an album only at the moment of their creation. And you need to choose them one by one, don’t have “select all”. And you can’t select photos already uploaded in the past. What? Couldn’t think of a worse gallery than this.

Me too, just saying that encryption isn’t always a pro

Encryption in self hosted when you’re hosting only your personal data isn’t really a positive feature

For the case of ente, having all the photos in encrypted blobs in a minio container, means you have to export the content every night using their cli tool, verify it, repeat for every family member, then backup the result

Technical question, if it’s e2ee, it means videos can’t be transcoded? Modern smartphones encode video at a bitrate that doesn’t allow real time streaming on 4g

This is a photo gallery that can replace Google photos, while using nextcloud as a photo gallery is a proof of concept that can’t be even considered alpha quality

When on my personal install the music app was broken after an update for months, I didn’t complain at all. Because I went to see who was the maintainer: owncloud. Not their fault. In this case was my fault. Definitely my fault and without sarcasm. A third party plugin is expected to have problems after updates. Completely understandable. They’re even competitors.

First party plugins instead, MUST work at all times versus the latest stable release. It’s the reason I didn’t check compatibility.

This is the concept I want to say. It’s not hard. I’m not saying “the update process must be idiot proof”. When shit like this happens, it completely erodes trust in users. It’s not stable, it’s beta. It’s a tiny detail. It’s just a number on the manifest. What does it cost to update that number to 30 for the forms app? (The “incompatible” version runs perfectly fine when the check is overridden)

But no, let’s defend this behavior of moving fast and breaking things for no reason, like that issue thread on GitHub where users are rightfully pissed that the Windows nextcloud desktop client reboots without confirmation and fanboys are dismissing it “eh the cloud indicators in explorer.exe are so important, must reboot at all times, what’s the problem”

Do you agree that first party stuff must work? (unless it’s discontinued)

Would you expect Microsoft Office 365 being disabled after upgrading to Microsoft Windows 11?

And finally, how I persuaded the it department. Here I make a list of all the members:

We were just searching a way to host a worthless survey that nobody is watching instead of paying $350 to Surveymonkey. We drank the marketing cool aid and assumed that something heavily promoted just 6 months ago would be supported. But this is unreasonable.

Solution 1: waste a week doing your suggested way of multiple installs and custom unit tests and every quarter check carefully everything because nextcloud “stable” is as stable as a house of cards.

Solution 2: delete nextcloud and write a form in PHP+HTML in an afternoon, don’t have the same problem with nextcloud 31 next quarter.

Ok i get it, it’s best practice to do rushed releases without QA because users are the free testers.

They definitely had no way to know that their own app was incompatible, this is definitely a problem of the stupid user. Idiot user who believed their newsletter “update now, hub 9 is the best thing ever”. The user should have known that stable = untested beta

Also, this issue happened exclusively to me in the whole world, because everyone else isn’t an idiot like me and checks 30+ release notes scattered in 30 different repositories to guess any incompatibility. I was lazy and only checked the main notes! Such an idiot! Why I didn’t check every single installed app? It’s just 30! Nextcloud devs couldn’t have known that nextcloud devs didn’t update the manifest of the forms app! I should have checked before! Completely my fault!

Now if you excuse me I got an update to the Windows nextcloud desktop app and it must reboot after update because reasons even if there’s a GitHub issue with 200 angry comments about that. No wait! Stupid me! First I have to fire a VM and use a whole week to write automated tests that account for every possible combination of settings, language, power management, installed apps and so on. Otherwise I could lose a worthless survey that nobody reads and that will definitely get me fired!

go to watch who is the maintainer of nextcloud forms, then see if they could have known that NC 30 was about to go out or not

It’s definitely not unreasonable that if I make product X and I make product Y, and they’re not compatible, then a bit of warning is suggested.

Again, wordpress updates break plugins all the time, but automattic plugins (same people of wordpress) never break. Coincidence? They just launch a new wordpress without checking if woocommerce or jetpack don’t work?

I don’t know if maybe it’s my bad english in explaining it or it’s your comprehension skills that lack something.

I write it again for the 10th time: I’m 100% ok having 1-2 weeks of downtime, and this is why i do it live. It simply doesn’t make sense to dedicate several hours every month on testing if all i need is getting 3 useless surveys filled per year. If it was essential for work and i needed 99.99999% uptime i would directly subscribe typeform or surveymonkey. If tomorrow my install completely bricks and disappears in thin air, i would have lost 30 minutes of time and no valuable data. I literally spent more time designing the logo for the instance than managing it. This is just to state how unimportant the data stored on it.

This post wasn’t made about “oh no i lost millions and all my irreplaceable data thanks to nextcloud stupid updates” but how stupid is to release something that breaks features that they’re using as selling point.

ok, now that we established that my IT skills are lacking and i should be fired because one single survey couldn’t be filled, this is the release notes: https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/latest/admin_manual/release_notes/upgrade_to_30.html

Please tell me where they say that this feature is automatically disabled and also tell me why you think that this is acceptable.

I don’t understand why you think that is acceptable.

I even can’t find other examples where a release is so rushed, that selling points are disabled without ETA. I never saw for Libreoffice 24 dropping support for opendocument files for a couple months just because they had to meet a self imposed deadline

ok, please tell me where in the release notes they say that the forms app will be automatically disabled without warning after update, thanks https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/latest/admin_manual/release_notes/upgrade_to_30.html

You again commented on the docker upgrade comment that I said it’s irrelevant. It’s really like saying “if you wore pants that day, they wouldn’t have done that, it’s your fault”. It doesn’t make sense to spend $1000 in operating costs to host a useless survey that gets 3 responses a year. If it breaks for a week nobody dies.

Focus on how they’re moving fast and breaking things, ok? It’s not normal that official plugins don’t support the latest stable release. It’s not an alpha, it’s not a beta, it’s stable. Stable means everything needs to work. Official plugins need to support the latest stable release. It’s acceptable only if this was a third party plugin made by a hobbyist in their free time

WordPress updates also break many plugins but it never happened that a stable release blocked official ones like woocommerce.

By the way, now I have learned that the latest version of nextcloud is a public beta and it’s better to always stay one version behind. So why don’t they call it public beta?

Us too, we only use it as a filelink provider for thunderbird and to host a useless survey that’s going to get filled once a quarter. That’s why nobody noticed the survey was disabled and that’s why we’re not doing multistage testing in multiple virtual machines. We are a super small company and ok with something that one day can be 3 days offline. Otherwise it would be cheaper to pay $100 to Surveymonkey and $100 to Dropbox