I don’t know anyone spending less than half of their income on housing.
they make your walls so thin so you can hear your landlord masturbating to this
Who are the half that make the 7 figures required to not spend half your income on housing?
Did they just fully make up have the surveyed population?
$1400/mo, the rough figure from the article, is 30% of $56k/yr. If you made $1m, 30% of that would give you $25,000/mo. How do you figure?
Median household is apparently 80k now. 30 percent of that monthly is 2,000.
In my city 2,000 will rent you an infested place with water damage from the flood a year ago. But if the city comes around you have to pretend not to live there or else they’ll kick you out.
Don’t forget that household income is everyone in the house. So if you are all poor college kids with part time jobs making 15-20k a year your household income will still be close to or at the median, even though each of you are individually really poor
That’s not nearly the normal though. Dual income households are the norm by far.
Sure but any part time jobs the kids have also count towards median household income I assume
That’s like a 2 year period in an 18 year living situation.
Kids live at home a lot longer now 😂 way more than two years haha
I wonder if it’s net or gross.
Besides, it’s not seven figures, just mid-six figures necessary for that.
The typical “30% on income” advice is based on gross, not net. Which is about 93,000 a year for the median mortgage payment right now.
If you move outside the city, shit gets much, much cheaper. Mortgages are easily $1,750/mo ($300k, 30yr, tax + insurance included). If your goal is to live in NYC or Seattle, you will be spending quite a bit on your chosen lifestyle. If your goal instead is to buy/rent an affordable 2-3br home, there are lots of options.
Ugh. I get really annoyed when people defend egregious housing prices with the “just live in a shitty place, in a shitty location, in the middle of a food desert, far from economic opportunities, social interactions, public transportation, and you can afford it” argument
I live 10 miles outside of Seattle and have never once spent more than 30% on rent. I have 0 of the downsides you listed, except a long commute, and I don’t make 6 figures.
It’s honestly not that hard to find affordable rent even in a VHCOL area.
I live 10 miles outside of Seattle and have never once spent more than 30% on rent.
There are a lot of unanswered questions here: what size is the place where you live? What is your income? How many people live with you and what is the collective income? How long is your commute? How long is the commute of the others who live with you, if there are any? What local amenities are available?
Not only that I’d be curious if 1) you’re required to own a car and all the costs associated with it, 2) the only thing really out there is chain restaurants and chain stores? 3) the only “entertainment” is a massive movie theater, and maybe a bowling alley.
“If you live where the jobs aren’t, you can afford a house.”
Cool.
The trades (electricians, etc) pay well and are in demand basically everywhere. The jobs are out there.
Move far, far outside of populated areas and you don’t even need a mortgage.
Also known as The Unabomber Rental Mitigation Technique.
Kaczynski was unironically right about a number of things, criminal activity aside.
You don’t need remotely close to that income level. 200k household income will get you a nice home at a reasonable price.
Oh yeah just 2.5 times the median household income, no problem. Hey while we’re here can I have a million dollar loan?
Never said it was inexpensive. It’s just not nearly as expensive as you all make it seem. 15% of the country does hit this number and 25% are close.
Y’all out pretending nobody is buying houses.
No no we know people are buying houses. It’s just hard to compete when that person is Black Rock and they bought an entire development before it even hit the market.
Corporate owners own less than 4% of single family homes.
It’s not okay and that does put pressure on the market. We should strive to minimize that.
It’s not the hellscape you want it to be. $2500/mo still buys you a 2400sq ft home in a nice neighborhood in moderate CoL areas. Again that price is out of reach for many, but home ownership rates for Gen Z is higher than millennials when adjusted for age. Most of America own their homes.
Well that’s a flat out lie. CoreLogic straight up tells anyone willing to read that investors own 20-30 percent of housing in every state. And they’re 30 percent of the purchasing for houses on the market every month.
And that is only going to go up. In my area at least, the price of rent has gone up ~15% per year for the last 5 years. In 5 more years the apartment I was renting will cost more per year than my house payment.
I’m wondering if the people in this thread who are saying they pay less than 30% of their income on rent as if it’s some sort of trick or achievement actually understand percentages since they don’t seem to understand that the “nearly half” part of the headline puts them in the majority…
Same people that refuse a pay raise because they don’t understand the core concept of tax tables.
I literally cannot remember a point in my life when I wasn’t spending half or more of my income on rent/mortgage.
same. I remember being told 1/3 was the ideal, and thinking “you aren’t spending twice that?”
We should build and fund more public housing.
Unfortunately, a large chunk of the country doesn’t believe the government can or should do anything, so I guess that’s a difficult pitch to make.
This is the solution. Unfortunately in the United States when most people think of government housing you think of run down slums.
We need to follow the examples of Austria’s social housing. https://youtu.be/41VJudBdYXY
I was renting from 2009-2017. My threshold was $1000. Once they raised my rent above that I was out. So in all that time my rent increased ~$100-150. That was for an 1140 sq/ft, 2 bed, 1 bath apartment including the extra I paid for a detached single garage. I looked up the same apartment today. It’s $1750 and they don’t even post the garage prices. I’m gonna say probably $1900 all in for the same thing today. So a ~$900 increase in a similar timespan. Oof.
The apartment wasn’t anything special. Cheap carpet, old appliances but everything worked. It was showing its age but it was being maintained.
I worked in the largest city in the state but got an apartment ~25 miles away cause it was way cheaper than downtown. It was only a couple minutes drive from the highway and a tram station. So commuting wasn’t terrible. For a bit there my work even paid for the tram.
Even back then there was muttering about rent going up for the foreseeable future. Glad I got out of the renting situation cause it’s so much worse than I could have ever imagined.
My rent doubled in five years.
The place I used to rent is also doubled.
Everything doubled.
Except for wages.
i’m over half, and expecting yet another rent increase soon.
I actually thought 30% housing was the norm for the past 10 years?
The goal but never the reality.
Ideally rent should be 1/4th or less of your budget
LOL
