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Sorry, I was under the impression that you hadn’t read the study because of our vastly different takeaways.
And strawman was probably the incorrect term in that context.
By external factors and social influences, I mean the social consensus that going against the government is unsafe.
That presidential candidates who have any chance of beating Putin are banned from the ballots, jailed, or coincidentally die before they’re able to build a large enough following.
That it’s safer to just play along than to put a target on your back.
If you were unable to piece together what I meant in the context of this conversation, I’m not convinced this discussion will lead anywhere productive.
Given that the study makes no claim that the statistics accurately represent the true beliefs of the Russian population, I’m suggesting that taking those numbers and concluding otherwise so you can justify calling the overhwelming majority of Russians ‘genocidal imperialists’ is irresponsible at best.
I’ve also never stated that Russians who genuinely support genocide should not be held accountable for their actions. Maybe this is a better example of a strawman argument?
Checking the latest released polls from levada, you can see that the majority of polled participants indicated support for what Russia is doing to Ukraine.
Yet, further down, it shows more participants indicated support for diplomatic resolution over military action.
I see this as a reasonable indicator that the majority of Russians are not genocidal.
And taking preference falsification and levada’s polling methods into account, the numbers could be even more in favour of both diplomatic resolution and disapproval of the war as a whole.
Maybe the overwhelming majority don’t want change in their society, or maybe they don’t have a choice (I’m talking about rigged elections, in case you were struggling to figure out the context again).
I have no idea when any societal changes within Russia will happen, I don’t happen to own a time machine.
I can only guess and assume that there won’t be any substantial publicly-expressed change in ideology while Putin is still in charge.
I’ll let people in those countries make up their own minds about what they should do, and I would hope the rest of the world will continue to support them with whatever that may be.
I’m not sure why you’re asking me these things, they aren’t really relevant to any of the points I’ve been trying to make.
I appreciate you sticking around for this argument, but I think I’m done.
Before our exchange you didn’t know what a list experiment was or what the term preference falsification meant.
Yet you were aggressively parroting the standard polemic about “innocent russians” and “all polling is wrong because it doesn’t align with my message”.
And now you’re acting all high and mighty with strawn men and “vastly different takeaways”.
You claim that the paper shows the mere existence of preference falsification. This is complete bullshit and you know it.
Preference falsification = A - B
Where:
A (~75%) = support for genocidal imperialism via regular polling
B (~65%) = support for genocidal imperialism via list experiments
If you don’t believe A or B to be true, then you can’t define whether preference falsification exists.
This is basic logic and you’ve totally failed it.
Diplomatic resolution? What’s that?
Russia continues to occupy 20% of Ukraine and then attacks again when they are ready?
Fucking awesome diplomatic resolution!
I am asking you about the hows and whys because you made a claim that we need to support russian “dissidents”.
Is it not reasonable to ask what and when we’ll see the outcome of this?
Why would you do something if you have no plan for how and when to achieve a given outcome?
You’ve thankfully never had to actually deal with russians, that’s what’s driving your petty bullshit and delusions.
Let’s hope things stay that way, for your own benefit.
Sorry, I was under the impression that you hadn’t read the study because of our vastly different takeaways.
And strawman was probably the incorrect term in that context.
By external factors and social influences, I mean the social consensus that going against the government is unsafe.
That presidential candidates who have any chance of beating Putin are banned from the ballots, jailed, or coincidentally die before they’re able to build a large enough following.
That it’s safer to just play along than to put a target on your back.
If you were unable to piece together what I meant in the context of this conversation, I’m not convinced this discussion will lead anywhere productive.
Given that the study makes no claim that the statistics accurately represent the true beliefs of the Russian population, I’m suggesting that taking those numbers and concluding otherwise so you can justify calling the overhwelming majority of Russians ‘genocidal imperialists’ is irresponsible at best.
I’ve also never stated that Russians who genuinely support genocide should not be held accountable for their actions. Maybe this is a better example of a strawman argument?
Checking the latest released polls from levada, you can see that the majority of polled participants indicated support for what Russia is doing to Ukraine.
Yet, further down, it shows more participants indicated support for diplomatic resolution over military action.
I see this as a reasonable indicator that the majority of Russians are not genocidal.
And taking preference falsification and levada’s polling methods into account, the numbers could be even more in favour of both diplomatic resolution and disapproval of the war as a whole.
Maybe the overwhelming majority don’t want change in their society, or maybe they don’t have a choice (I’m talking about rigged elections, in case you were struggling to figure out the context again).
I have no idea when any societal changes within Russia will happen, I don’t happen to own a time machine.
I can only guess and assume that there won’t be any substantial publicly-expressed change in ideology while Putin is still in charge.
I’ll let people in those countries make up their own minds about what they should do, and I would hope the rest of the world will continue to support them with whatever that may be.
I’m not sure why you’re asking me these things, they aren’t really relevant to any of the points I’ve been trying to make.
I appreciate you sticking around for this argument, but I think I’m done.
That’s not a convincing answer.
Before our exchange you didn’t know what a list experiment was or what the term preference falsification meant.
Yet you were aggressively parroting the standard polemic about “innocent russians” and “all polling is wrong because it doesn’t align with my message”.
And now you’re acting all high and mighty with strawn men and “vastly different takeaways”.
You claim that the paper shows the mere existence of preference falsification. This is complete bullshit and you know it.
Preference falsification = A - B
Where:
A (~75%) = support for genocidal imperialism via regular polling
B (~65%) = support for genocidal imperialism via list experiments
If you don’t believe A or B to be true, then you can’t define whether preference falsification exists.
This is basic logic and you’ve totally failed it.
Diplomatic resolution? What’s that?
Russia continues to occupy 20% of Ukraine and then attacks again when they are ready?
Fucking awesome diplomatic resolution!
I am asking you about the hows and whys because you made a claim that we need to support russian “dissidents”.
Is it not reasonable to ask what and when we’ll see the outcome of this?
Why would you do something if you have no plan for how and when to achieve a given outcome?
You’ve thankfully never had to actually deal with russians, that’s what’s driving your petty bullshit and delusions.
Let’s hope things stay that way, for your own benefit.