• Ascyron@lemmy.one
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    4 months ago

    If only she were the current sitting vice president of the United states of America, I.e. was in a position of power where she and the other members of the executive branch could take action as well as “striking a tough tone”.

    Actions, as always, speak louder than words.

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      Oh my god, nothing is enough for you people. She’s literally pushing for an immediate ceasefire and withdrawal of the Israeli military and advocating for a 2 state solution. Isn’t that precisely what we want?

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          How about we start with babysteps of not actively and vigorously committing genocide.

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        One state is the real solution. That’s going to take time to rebuild trust. Until then, Biden’s ceasefire agreement and Gaza rebuild plan is a great start.

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          Yeah, the Knesset has signaled in no uncertain terms that they will never support a two state solution.

          A two-state solution is something that sounds good to people who don’t understand the history and the geography, but the reality is that Israel will always be looking to take over the remainder of Gaza and the Westbank. The already have to a huge extent, I don’t think people realize just how much Palestine has been made into swiss cheese. You can’t make a state out if that.

          It’s the apartheid state that needs to end, Israel cannot remain an ethno-state if there’s ever going to be an end to all this. Theres nowhere else on earth that we’d be arguing that it needs to be ethnically “pure”. Palestinians have been in that region as long as anyone, they need to be equal citizens with equal rights.

          Its not a pipe dream, the world pressured South Africa to end apartheid, they can do it with Israel if world leaders actually show some backbone.

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          Good luck convincing Israel to fold up because I’m pretty confident you aren’t going to convince Palestinians about that. Or are you advocating for some ol’ two speed citizenship?

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      Historically the VP has been one of the weakest political positions when it comes to actual power or ability to effect change. Just depends on how much the cabinet/president listen to you.

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      The Vice President’s only constitutional power is to break ties in the Senate, which is not a very relevant power.

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        Not defending the person you replied to, but the VP still has behind-closed-doors influence on the sitting president. Pretty sure Biden influenced Obama to support gay marriage, when the latter was iffy because much of the public was still homophobic in the '00s to early '10s.

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          She’s already been doing that. But it’s not magic. The only other option for her would be to resign her position but that’s political suicide in the US.

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      The issue of Palestinian independence has been my longest standing position. I became interested in politics during the second inifada 20+ years ago. It’s been going on longer than that by a longshot.

      This is the best we’ve seen in terms of statements. Let’s let her win before we condemn her for shit she can’t act on.

      If she gets it and continues to pay lip service only, I’ll agree with your cynicism. Gods know I have enough to go around myself.

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      Tell me the actual power of the VP? The buck stops at the top. The decisions of the executive are the final word. She is one voice among many in the Whitehouse and she doesn’t pull the levers. She can’t force Biden to do whatever she wants. That’s now how it works. She can suggest, she can inform, she can advise, but ultimately, until January, it’s Biden making decisions.