Netanyahu: “Please stop withholding weapons and support, please seriously guys cut it out”
TIME Magazine: “Is Netanyahu dragging out the conflict for political benefit?”
Biden: “There is every reason for people to draw that conclusion.”
Kamala Harris: “I will not be silent.”
Hexbear: “Congress gives Netanyahu Standing Ovation, blood on hands of every US lawmaker, US President personally responsible for tens of thousands of deaths directly.”
Did you watch the video?
Republicans gave Netanyahu a standing ovation.
Dozens of Democrats abstained, the ones who attended remained seated, and Rashida Tlaib held up a sign that said “war criminal.”
I insult Hexbear at every opportunity, bunch of dictator cocksuckers they are.
As you should. I saw all the memes before watching the video, and was happy to see that it wasn’t the “four-minute standing ovation” I kept hearing about when I finally watched it.
Sure, fuck hexbear…but congress literally did give a standing ovation to a mass murderer, there is no getting around that reality. That’s not me, it was literally on NPR. Biden is a staunch supporter of mass murder who has blood on his hands.
Hexbear being full of tankies doesn’t make it ok to support genocide.
Apart from all the members of congress who remained seated, as was already mentioned. I’m guessing neither AOC nor Bernie Sanders stood up and applauded if they were there.
They’d probably yell at you if their mouths weren’t full
Ah yes, the truest sign of liberal enlightenment, casual homophobia,
Sucking cock is a fantastic thing to do for your fellow human, and a true friend loves and appreciates you for it.
But sucking the cocks of dictators, that’s something sensible people everywhere disapprove of. Pretty much every dictator has awful anti-LGBT+ rhetoric and inhumane anti-LGBT+ policies.
Don’t be dense. The poster above me was using “cocksucker” as an insult, which is a go-to homophobic insult, and I called it out. There’s no nuance or subtlety or dictionary lawyering that perfectly clearly expressed sentiment into being anything other than what it is.
Yes, but is there anything in what I said that you actually disagree with?
See, I think we agree, it’s just that I’m being more light hearted about it than you are. Good cop, bad cop, that sort of thing. You’re all “you’re nasty homophobe!” and I’m all “heyy, man, you should appreciate the blow jobs, not hate on them! But blow jobs are not for dictators.”
“it’s just a joke! i’m just joking! you need to lighten up!”
I never actually called you or anybody else a nasty homophobe, I called out a single comment for expressing a casual homophobic sentiment.
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You do know that Netanyahu is friendly with Putin…right?
Ever wonder why he talks like Donald Trump?
Turns out you don’t actually care about “sucking dictator cock” after all, just trying to provide cover for your own right-wing mass murderer.
see someone else get called out for a homophobic comment
rush to their defense with even more homophobia
I didn’t say anything about any political leader, dictator or democratic. I called out a single comment for being in poor taste, and ya’ll are showing your true colors in your responses to it.
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“it’s not homophobia, it’s misogyny!” is not the defense of the above comment you think it is.
Bruh. I meant that you assumed that cocksucking is exclusively done by gay men. So it’s actually neither. Calling someone a motherfucker doesn’t mean that they actually have sex with their mothers. Insults like these are usually detached from their literal meaning.
Improve your reading comprehension skills. English is literally my third language.
The insult “cocksucker” did not fall out of a coconut tree. It exists in the context of all that has come before it, which in this case is decades of being the go-to insult of homophobes.
Recognizing that sex exists and people engage in it is neither homophobic nor misogynistic, chill the fuck out
Democrats give lip service after months of ongoing escalating protests while continuing to arm Israel. Leftists in shambles.
It’s easy to say things in the run up to election. I’ll wait and see what she actually does when/if she is elected
She’s going to say whatever she thinks will get her elected.
We can’t trust her as far as we can throw her. All this kamala hype is just manufactured by people who spent money.
So what do you suggest? The guy who’s already said he’s for genocide?
All this kamala hype is just manufactured by people who spent money.
This is the point I was trying to make.
I’m not trying to attack or dog pile on you, I just want the rubber meets road pragmatism of what the best action is. What’s the reality? I’m already aware neoliberals will not be progressives no matter how much you believe in fairies.
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I was asking an honest question, if you’re only about shit posting that’s genuinely disappointing.
Sure you were.
I’m all ears. Do you think I’m doing this for the sweet sweet 0 upvotes? Or the fact that no one reads nested comments unless they wrote them?
Enough with words. We have had almost 10 months of them. Just another talker I bet.
I feel that, but to be fair she’s not in a position to do much more than promise at the moment.
I think it’s an encouraging sign that she’s not trying to duck the issue, the way she could. That’s not a guaruntee she’ll take real action, but if she’s distancing herself from Biden on this even before she gets the nomination it’s a good sign.
I think it’s easy to forget just how extreme Biden is on this issue. Harris is your average democrat, but she’s still not ideological like Biden is, most aren’t. Biden went so far as to go around Obama to make promises to Israel when he was VP, I don’t see Harris having that kind of unquestioning desperation to help the right-wing Israeli government.
If only she were the current sitting vice president of the United states of America, I.e. was in a position of power where she and the other members of the executive branch could take action as well as “striking a tough tone”.
Actions, as always, speak louder than words.
Oh my god, nothing is enough for you people. She’s literally pushing for an immediate ceasefire and withdrawal of the Israeli military and advocating for a 2 state solution. Isn’t that precisely what we want?
Also Israel should pay to rebuild.
How about we start with babysteps of not actively and vigorously committing genocide.
Some of us do recognize Harris has no real power yet.
One state is the real solution. That’s going to take time to rebuild trust. Until then, Biden’s ceasefire agreement and Gaza rebuild plan is a great start.
Yeah, the Knesset has signaled in no uncertain terms that they will never support a two state solution.
A two-state solution is something that sounds good to people who don’t understand the history and the geography, but the reality is that Israel will always be looking to take over the remainder of Gaza and the Westbank. The already have to a huge extent, I don’t think people realize just how much Palestine has been made into swiss cheese. You can’t make a state out if that.
It’s the apartheid state that needs to end, Israel cannot remain an ethno-state if there’s ever going to be an end to all this. Theres nowhere else on earth that we’d be arguing that it needs to be ethnically “pure”. Palestinians have been in that region as long as anyone, they need to be equal citizens with equal rights.
Its not a pipe dream, the world pressured South Africa to end apartheid, they can do it with Israel if world leaders actually show some backbone.
Good luck convincing Israel to fold up because I’m pretty confident you aren’t going to convince Palestinians about that. Or are you advocating for some ol’ two speed citizenship?
Historically the VP has been one of the weakest political positions when it comes to actual power or ability to effect change. Just depends on how much the cabinet/president listen to you.
Unless you were Dick Cheney.
Who had the power to shoot a man in the face while drunk and have him apologize for being shot.
The Vice President’s only constitutional power is to break ties in the Senate, which is not a very relevant power.
Not defending the person you replied to, but the VP still has behind-closed-doors influence on the sitting president. Pretty sure Biden influenced Obama to support gay marriage, when the latter was iffy because much of the public was still homophobic in the '00s to early '10s.
She’s already been doing that. But it’s not magic. The only other option for her would be to resign her position but that’s political suicide in the US.
The issue of Palestinian independence has been my longest standing position. I became interested in politics during the second inifada 20+ years ago. It’s been going on longer than that by a longshot.
This is the best we’ve seen in terms of statements. Let’s let her win before we condemn her for shit she can’t act on.
If she gets it and continues to pay lip service only, I’ll agree with your cynicism. Gods know I have enough to go around myself.
Tell me the actual power of the VP? The buck stops at the top. The decisions of the executive are the final word. She is one voice among many in the Whitehouse and she doesn’t pull the levers. She can’t force Biden to do whatever she wants. That’s now how it works. She can suggest, she can inform, she can advise, but ultimately, until January, it’s Biden making decisions.
She […] denounced Hamas as a brutal terrorist organisation that triggered the war
Harris, you’re wrong and you know it. This is only the latest battle in a war that has been going on for decades.
And the word you’re not saying is genocide.
Out of curiosity, do you always insist people use the term genocide when addressing the
Ukrainian invasion,invasion of Ukraine, the sinicization of Tibet, and the Uyghur camps as well? Do you always say the Ukrainian genocide, the Tibetan genocide, and the Uyghur genocide? It’s exactly as correct as the former descriptions.I won’t insist on each and every time, but just once would be fantastic.
I personally also don’t say it literally each and every time, but I will say that those examples as also genocide, unequivocally. That’s me on the record, you can quote me on that.
(Also I assume you mean the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and the genocide of the Ukrainian people in the invaded areas, not an invasion committed by the Ukrainians, because I’m not aware of that happening anywhere.)
Yes, the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I edited for clarity.
My point is both descriptions are accurate, and sensationalism is polarizing. The wrong language could keep her out of office. This reaffirms the understanding that she’s left of Biden and miles from Trump. That may be all the conviction we get before the election. That doesn’t mean that’s all she has to offer.
Very well made point, imo.
Calling a genocide what it is isn’t sensationalist, regardless of whether or not you think there would be political blowback for her to state that plainly.
You’re couching an implication that describing it as a genocide is an exaggeration in pragmatic language.
We have you on the record…. catloaf
Genocide is never okay no matter who commits it. There’s definitely different kinds of genocide so it’s hard use the word to properly define it’s context. That said it’s not used when it’s clearly adequate because politics.
Performing a genocide is trying to wipe out national, ethnical, racial or religious identity. You can do it by outright killing them, or be more sneaky and for example stealing their children and adopting them so they never learn about their heritage.
It doesn’t matter how it is done, but the result you are trying to achieve.
Out of curiosity, do you suppose whataboutism is going to make what Netanyahu does suddenly not be a genocide?
Do you think that because Russia and China are doing it, that makes it OK? We’re not selling Russia and China weapons to use in their genocides.
Not at all. I’m simply pointing out that the term genocide does not speak to the severity of Israel’s crimes, only the implied intent. Genocide can be committed without killing anyone. It’s important to state that tens of thousands of innocent civilian women and children have been killed by the IDF. The term genocide does not imply those atrocities.
Just to make it clear: Do you believe Netanyahu is committing genocide?
Absolutely. I’ve also peacefully protested the sinicization of Tibet since the 80s, which is also a genocide. The ignorance around the word being used to imply “worse killing” is maddening. It’s just like the difference between manslaughter and murder. The difference is intent, not egregiousness.
Are you equating the war in Ukraine fought between 2 actual armies on relatively equal footing where civilian casualties have been much lower in relative terms (eg. ~500 Ukrainian children dead) and 2 cultural genocides to what we have been seeing for the last year in Gaza? How can you genuinely believe that these things are equivalent? There are horrific abuses that have occurred in all these places but not at the (relative) scale of human suffering that Gaza has seen in terms of starvation, death of civilians and children, disease, displacement and destruction of housing stock and civil society. There are estimates of 90-180 thousand people dead at this point.
I’m stating that 20,000 Ukrainian children abducted by Russia and put up for adoption to be raised as Russians is genocide.
Yes, I agree that that is a horrific abuse at mass scale but it is also different from systematically killing those children with nowhere to escape.
By definition, it’s genocide. Genocide doesn’t mean “killing children.” It means attempting to eradicate a nation or culture. This wasn’t a discussion of which horrors are more egregious. It’s about the commenter being upset that Harris didn’t label it genocide.
Yes, I agree that the cultural genocide aspects are very serious and those responsible should be face punishment. My point is not to minimize the cultural genocides but to say that the physical killing of civilians is a tier above the cultural erasure aspect in the awful calculus that were discussing and Gaza is a much more clear-cut case of that than the others.
Again, the term genocide has nothing to do with severity. Why is it more important to use the term when referring to killing civilian children? Genocide can be committed without killing anyone.
It’s more clear what the atrocities are by referring to innocent women and children being bombed, than it is to simply use the word genocide.
You don’t have to actively kill anyone for it to be genocide. The Trail of Tears was a genocide. They didn’t directly murder the tens of thousands of indigenous American people. They drove them off their land. Many of them died along the way to their forced new homes, but that’s not why it was a genocide.
As a Canadian I feel like people who support our right wing politicians are very generous with the accuracy of what they say and their American counterparts are even more so.
Yet somehow the Progressive side is held to this unusual standard where they’re constantly painted as the villain if they’re off by the slightest bit.
Harris is by no means a progressive, but anyone supporting Israeli government at this point is creepy as fuck
Expecting the right wing to do anything good is futile. If they were going to, they wouldn’t be in the right wing. The Democrats can be pushed left. There is no point in setting standards you know someone will never meet. Some Democrats have already called it genocide, so there it’s achievable.
In this case is more about what you would get out of Biden, Harris, Vance or Trump.
As long as she’s willing to strongly push for a ceasefire as American you got other things to worry about. And for the record I do agree it’s a genocide.
Israel helped Hamas gain power intentionally. Defending Hamas is defending Israel, just as defending Israel is defending Hamas.
Why are you dickriding a fundamentalist, misogynistic and homophobic organization? You can denounce Israel without stanning for them.
Wait till you learn that the people are also what you just described
