The bodies of 109 Palestinians including 23 children and 11 women were taken to Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital, and spokesperson Khalil Degran told the Associated Press that more than 100 wounded also arrived to the hospital. In addition, he said the rest of the 210 Palestinians killed were taken to Al-Awda Hospital after the spokesman said he spoke to the director there. But the numbers at that hospital could not be confirmed by the AP.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed to continue the war until all hostages are freed, but Bassem Naim, a senior Hamas official now based in Lebanon, struck a drastically different tone.

“The horrific massacre committed today by Netanyahu and his fascist government against the Palestinian people in Gaza, which led to slaughter of 210 and more than 400 wounded so far — under the pretext of liberating those detained by the resistance — confirms what the resistance has said repeatedly: that Netanyahu doesn’t plan to reach an agreement to stop the war and free the captured Israelis peacefully,” Naim said, according to the Associated Press.

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    So what’s an acceptable number of innocent people being murdered to recover other innocent people, in this instance four?

    Is 100 acceptable? 1000? 10000? Everybody?

    As per your P.S. How come you don’t see the same from the Israelis, they’re endangering civilians too?

    What the IDF is doing is terroristic, as is what Hamas has done. So either you’re for terrorism or against it, you can’t say it’s ok for one side and not the other.

    The fact is Israel is an apartheid state and they have been stealing land for decades. What would you do if you were a victim of this?

    Furthermore, the hostages could have been returned many time with any one of the ceasefire deals on the table, but the Israeli government want blood not the hostages.

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            Israel isn’t overthrowing Hamas though. They’re actually empowering them by Netanyahu spending the last 17 years sidelining Palestinian moderates. Abbas offered to work with Netanyahu to actively fight Hamas but was turned down, because Netanyahu refused to work with Palestinians of any stripe.

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                Actually no. Netanyahu may be unpopular but he’s been able to avoid elections for a year now.

                And Hamas cannot be stopped militarily; killing all these civilians only makes more people support the group. What WOULD cause Hamas to lose support would be to empower moderates, but Netanyahu has spent the last 17 years undermining them and deligitimizing them, even arming Hamas so Palestinians would fight one another. Smotrich yesterday announcing he’s withholding Palestinian tax money to the PA only makes the PA look even weaker since even moderates are unacceptable to the Israeli government and will suffer under Israeli rule despite cooperating with them.

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            Correct since they never voted for them.

            If you think you can overthrow Hamas you’re insane. Israel have secured the next generation of sign ups by killing people’s entire fucking families.

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      You deserve an answer. An acceptable number of innocents, in a perfect world, is Zero. But who is in control of that? Hummus.

      As per your P.S. How come you don’t see the same from the Israelis, they’re endangering civilians too?

      “Whataboutism” is lame.

      The fact is Israel is an apartheid state and they have been stealing land for decades. What would you do if you were a victim of this?

      Probably not invade, kill and kidnap innocent people, and run away to hide among women and children. But that’s me. Obviously it’s okay for Hummus /s

      What the IDF is doing is terroristic, as is what Hamas has done. So either you’re for terrorism or against it, you can’t say it’s ok for one side and not the other.

      See above.

      Furthermore, the hostages could have been returned many time with any one of the ceasefire deals on the table, but the Israeli government want blood not the hostages.

      It’s too late for that, and Hummus knows it. They could have returned the hostages, but they need to go away. They’ve already stated their goal is to delete Israel, so Israel should just… what? Let the terrorists live and regrow. Also, Israel is proving that if Hummus doesn’t return the hostages, Israel will take them back anyway - and there will be unfortunate casualties because of where Hummus hides, behind women and children. Tough shit for them, I guess, but with Hummus pissing themselves while cowering behind them, they don’t leave much choice.

      And let’s not forget, if Hummus is hiding among women and children, women and children could choose to live and turn those assholes in, or overpower them, or… is there an anti-Hummus underground in Gaza? There should be.

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        You deserve an answer. An acceptable number of innocents, in a perfect world, is Zero. But who is in control of that? Hummus.

        So accepting a ceasefire isn’t a viable option. Your bias here is staggering.

        “Whataboutism” is lame.

        As it is when you do it.

        Probably not invade, kill and kidnap innocent people, and run away to hide among women and children. But that’s me. Obviously it’s okay for Hummus /s

        There are conventions that says that a state in persecution can defend itself.

        See above.

        Yes both sides are wrong. Just one has a staggering advantage.