You won’t see previous messages, but that doesn’t mean the group is dead lol
Don’t want Signal with randoz. Try SimpleX, easy mutli-accounts.
The divide in these comments perfectly encapsulates why nothing ever gets done when it comes to privacy
Yup, would probably get more people to join by just using Discord at this point.
SimpleX maybe 😁
Not usable until they support unifiedpush. I won’t burn my battery with simplex.
Actually it’s not burning my battery so much, but I can understand
Yeah not doing Signal with randos.
That is indeed a massive improvement, but until they allow multiple profiles per number - that would still mean either using the same account with internet randos as I do with IRL friends, or renting a whole other number and risking losing the account once the ownership of the number expires.
Lol not in Signal
Why not?
Because you can’t have privacy if a company asks for your phone number.
Depends, who do you want to shield what information from? Signal knows all of their users’ phone numbers. You can hide it from other Signal users. All depends on your threat model.
Burner numbers are pretty easy to come by…
Not for everyone. Check your privilege.
Do it on Wire and I’m in. No way I’m giving you my phone number.
Where’s the option to hide if from signal?
Make a Threema group then I’ll join lol
Isn’t this a paid app?
if it’s free, you’re the product.
signal seems really good right now, with open source clients, but they already show that they’d like to keep the ecosystem locked down by not allowing 3rd party clients. at some point they will need a way to pay for their datacenters, and even if they claim the foundation or whatever is doing well, i can see the pestering for donations getting much worse in the future.
that said, threema is far from optimal too, im still waiting for matrix servers to become solid options. last time i wanted to set up synapse, the only captcha they supported was fucking Google captcha :|
it’s generally true, but Signal is asking for and depends on donations because they have no other revenue source (unlike google which does not ask for donations because indeed they monatize you, the “product”).
Your arguments don’t really make sense in the context of you asking for Threema instead, even if you acknowledge that it isn’t optimal.
[Signal] already showed that they’d like to keep the ecosystem locked down by not allowing 3rd party clients
Neither does Threema, it is a closed eco system? And in fact there is Molly, a hardened Signal fork for Android
At some point they will need a way to pay for their datacenters, […] i can see the pestering for donations getting much worse in the future.
Threema is a paid app though. So you consider an app asking for donations worse than a paid one? I agree though that their financials aren’t the best, since they seem to be living off a loan, but thats even more an argument to donate.
if it’s free, you’re the product.
FOSS software existing proves this is not always true.
I mean, those are valid concerns. Most messaging apps require a server to be running at all times. If there is only one centralized server, costs will start to pile up, so they’ll need a way to make money; either by asking for donations, making a paid tier or by selling your data.
True! That’s why I much prefer federated protocols so that the cost (and data!) does not pile up in one specific place. You can end up paying for it - in form of your VPS bill or the cost of the hosting hardware.
