There’s a distinction between someone arguing whether or not Isrealis should be allowed to attend the games as part of a decision making process and this kind of statement after the decision has been made.
Israelis are competing in the Olympics, that decision was made.
So what does it accomplish when this guy says “Israelis aren’t welcome here”? It’s not influencing government policy, the decision has been made. So who is he trying to influence then? What is he trying to influence them to do?
For those that don’t know history (or read articles) 11 Israeli athletes were killed in the 1972 Munich Olympics. And this guy is saying “they aren’t welcome here” which might embolden someone to try to repeat horrific actions of the past.
Bulldozing settlements for 20 years may do that too, but Israel didn’t care enough about repercussions to stop taking Palestinians land.
I get your point about the decision being made already, but to say no.criticism.is allowed because of something that happened 50 years ago is simply absurd.
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Great take, really shows how good you are at defending your opinion. Gonna repeat my previous point, just because someone disagrees with you it doesn’t mean they’re a bot, now go lick more genocidal boots and leave us alone
Don’t worry, SpaceCowboy will ignore everything you said, accuse you of ignoring everything they said and of not displaying critical thought, and justify calling you a bot.
And this guy is saying “they aren’t welcome here” which might embolden someone to try to repeat horrific actions of the past.
Israel is repeating those horrific actions right now.
And please don’t respond with genocidal denial. I have no desire to read disgusting genocide justification.
If it’s okay to exclude Russians from sport then it’s okay to exclude Israelis.
If it’s wrong to exclude Israelis then it’s wrong to exclude Russians.
Yup, unfortunately global politics are such bullshit that Zelensky has to support Israel
Sure it’s not the propaganda you’re reading that’s not bullshit?
There’s a lot of people on the internet that say Zelenskyy is a Nazi. There’s a lot of people that say Netanyahu is a Nazi. What determines what is true and what is false for you? Is it determined solely by what you have the most exposure to on social media?
I love how people like you pretend evidence doesn’t exist and it’s just one word against another…
Evidence does indeed exist. But you’re probably rejecting facts that don’t conform to your preferred narrative.
Facts like Hamas is still holding Israeli hostages. Hamas won’t agree to a ceasefire. Casualty rates flatten out when there’s no active combat an an area which is not at all consistent with a genocide. How could it be that there aren’t civilian casualties in places where there’s no brave Hamas fighters to protect Palestinians from the genocidal IDF? Maybe because it’s not a genocide, you’re just being told that.
More facts: the leadership of Hamas are billionaires that profit from Palestinian suffering. TikTokers showing you “the truth” are also profiting.
Even more facts: Israel is going to get their people back. If Hamas agrees to a ceasefire that returns the hostages, it’s over. If not it won’t be over until the IDF finds all of these hostages. Which could take a long time.
The only thing that we need to guess about is when Hamas will decide they’ve made enough donation money from this current iteration of violence (there will be more in the future) and agree to a ceasefire.
Facts like Hamas is still holding Israeli hostages.
How many children from the west bank are being held hostage by Israel without trial or evidence?
Hamas won’t agree to a ceasefire.
They’ve accepted ceasefire deals multiple times that Bibi personally torpedoes cause he doesn’t want to go to jail.
Casualty rates flatten out when there’s no active combat an an area which is not at all consistent with a genocide.
Only if you believe Israel and not people like The Lancet medical journal (and no, it isn’t affiliated with Hamas, even though Hamas’s numbers have proven more accurate than Israel’s over the years)
How could it be that there aren’t civilian casualties in places where there’s no brave Hamas fighters to protect Palestinians from the genocidal IDF?
Only if you don’t believe your lying eyes. Or do you believe it’s all pallywood?
Maybe because it’s not a genocide, you’re just being told that.
Or we can see the bombed hospitals, schools, and literally every single IDF declared safe zone.
More facts: the leadership of Hamas are billionaires that profit from Palestinian suffering. TikTokers showing you “the truth” are also profiting.
Come on, just say pallywood. You know you want to. It’ll be a relief.
Even more facts: Israel is going to get their people back. If Hamas agrees to a ceasefire that returns the hostages, it’s over.
This is literally the sticking point. Bibi won’t agree to a permanent cease fire, even for all of the hostages. You’re explicitly lying here.
Just continuing to ignore the facts and regurgitating the things you’ve heard.
Hamas has said many times things like “they look positively on the ceasefire agreement” but hasn’t actually accepted anything. They do these things because they know when you see the propaganda most people won’t verify anything, and if they do you’ll only do a cursory look at mainstream source see “they look postively” on a ceasefire and assume that it means they accepted it and go back to your narrative feeling like you’ve verified it to be true.
Only if you believe Israel and not people like The Lancet medical journal (and no, it isn’t affiliated with Hamas, even though Hamas’s numbers have proven more accurate than Israel’s over the years)
Yeah it’s the numbers from the Gaza Health Authority I’m looking at. They flatten out. not consistent with a genocide.
Also those numbers aren’t accurate. Even the UN has reported double counting of the numbers by the Gaza Health authority. There’s a war happening it’s impossible to count accurately. Also note that there is no breakdown between civilian casualties and Hamas casualties. It’s simply an estimate of the total number of casualties in Gaza, both civilian and Hamas. We don’t know if 30% are Hamas, 50% are Hamas, 10% are Hamas or whatever.
So there’s a lack of reliable information here. But given we see casualties only when there’s active combat operations, and it flattens out when there aren’t firefights happening between the IDF and Hamas… the little data we have is consistent with a war in an urban environment where the military is putting emphasis on minimizing their own casualties.
Also note there would also be a number of casualties attributed to Hamas. Friendly fire is a thing in a warzone, Hamas bullets and rockets don’t simply bounce off civilians. When Hamas sparys bullets and fires rockets in the general direction of the IDF, Palestinian civilians die from that too. Remember the whole genocide narrative started when there was an explosion at a hospital and the cause wound up being a Hamas rocket that went off course. But maybe that’s a fact that you reject to maintain the narrative you like.
Most of your post is the same old “I reject the facts because Israel bad” which only proves my point. Do you even accept the fact that Hamas is holding Israelis hostage?
Funny how both of you like to counter claims but neither has provided actual sources. I call bullshit on both parties unless actual proof is linked.
Anti-semitism used to mean “hatred of Jews”. Now it means “daring to question Israel’s murderous leaders”.
When antisemitism takes root, it is common for many to be in denial of antisemitism.
Also common to create a subset of Jews that it’s acceptable to hate to so that those that wouldn’t normally engage in it to be more tolerant of it. In the past it was made acceptable (by you know who!) to hate “Cosmopolitan Jews” so people would tend to look the other way on antisemitism.
Today it has been made to be acceptable to hate “Zionist Jews.” And now people that hate “Zionist Jews” are denying that antisemitism exists.
We’ve seen a marked increase in attacks on synagogues and Jewish owned businesses.
History doesn’t repeat itself, but it certainly does rhyme.
It never hurts to take some time to do some introspection on the feelings you have towards another ethnic and/or religious group.
Even if you don’t care for Jews at all and only care about Palestinians, consider how unlikely a movement will be if it’s considered to be antisemitic. Denying antisemitism instead of denouncing it isn’t really helping anyone.
Real antisemitism obviously exists, but most of what Israel is currently calling “antisemitism” is just “criticism of the current government of the nation of Israel”.
Are Israeli athletes government officials now? Being against Israeli athletes is not the same thing as being against the actions of the Israeli government.
What is this guy trying to accomplish by saying they aren’t welcome in France? They are there and he’s saying “they aren’t welcome here.” What is his goal?
Are you aware of what happened in the 1972 Munich Olympics?
Dude is edging on stochastic terrorism, but sure, he’s the “real victim” because someone criticizes his remarks.
Can leftists even hear themselves when they talk about Jews? Completely indistinguishable from certain other political groups. Probably how “National Socialism” became a thing. An unholy alliance formed over a common hatred.
Can people defending genocide hear how they sound as they defend murdering mostly children in the most gruesome of ways?
That’s what you are doing.
Dude is defending an active ongoing genocide, but sure, he’s the real victim because the government he supports (that actively tries to conflate nationality / race / and religion) is murdering children in the hundreds of thousands.
I’m saying Israeli athletes are people in a conversation where people are claiming that everything is labeled as antisemitism.
And now I’m getting labelled as being pro-genocide for doing that.
You’re getting labelled pro genocide because you are, as demonstrated by your other comments.
I’m downvoting every Israel/Palestine story. I’m just sick of it, from all sides. The posters, the graffiti, speeches in congress, everything. Keep that holy war shit in the holy-war-designated-area please.
If you agree with Israel, then they’re being unjustly accused of genocide while they defend themselves. That is something that needs to be talked about.
If you don’t, then Israel is committing genocide, and that needs to be screamed from the roof tops.
I mean, fuck SpaceCowboy, cause they’re defending a genocide, but they absolutely should be talking about it, based upon their professed beliefs.
